Independence thoughts

I want to discuss independence. Already I can hear the bleat of anxious readers: the word “independence”, and the concept it embodies, is problematic. Any attempts to consider the topic are met with passionate responses. Rightly, independence has attracted the attention of many Bermudians; thoughts on the subject are prolific and arguments are rapidly becoming hackneyed.

There is, however, one demographic that has remained relatively silent. Young Bermudians seem to have approached the debate apathetically; the meetings the BIC held experienced abysmal attendance from young voters. The perception that has been transmitted is one of blasé indifference: independence is a tussle only relevant for those above a certain age.

I don’t believe this to be the case. Although I do not have a representative sample of young voters' views to draw upon, I can assure you that there is at least one young Bermudian who gives a damn. Following the Throne Speech, and in an attempt to dispel this view of complacency amongst young voters, I thought I should express some of my thoughts.

Firstly, I don’t think Bermuda’s national identity has been given sufficient consideration. Much has been said about nationalism; independence forces one to confront what it means to be ‘Bermudian’. Yet Bermuda’s national identity is informed and enriched by our colonial history. From Britain we have inherited a great deal: cricket; religion; a system of government. We have flavoured and sifted this with our own, original traditions. This cultural winnowing is a product of dependence; with independence we effectively terminate a fruitful collaboration of culture.

This could easily be countered by asserting that slavery forms another, less savoury aspect of colonial rule. There is no avoiding this fact. However, the experience of slavery is historical; while we should be sensitive to our past, we should also not dwell upon it. There is no quick cure for our history; no effective panacea to erase what are, to some Bermudians, painful memories. Crucially, however, independence will not change the past. It only affects how we interpret or perceive the past. The question must then be asked: is it possible to assume the potentially positive paradigm of independence, to view Bermuda’s history in an appreciative light, without radical political change?

This same colonial partnership may be dismissed as intrusive. Indeed, many of the British traditions we have adopted are old; it seems unlikely that any further cultural enhancements are forthcoming. Britain’s influence on Bermuda has been waning over the past hundred years. True, we still experience a healthy flow of human and financial capital from the UK, yet our relationship with America, a relationship that is not incumbent on political ties, has flourished. The International Business sector is primarily an American venture. Culturally too, tokens of British society have faded, replaced by American imports: our television, the majority of our tourist market and vast quantities of our physical goods. However, while our relationship with America is not politically formalised, implicit in American cooperation with Bermuda, as members of the International Business community have attested, is our stability, a feature that is a perceived result of our political arrangement with the UK. If (and this is a mighty hypothetical) the fears of the International Business sector could be allayed, perhaps the prospects for continued economic growth under the banner of independence would be plausible.

The pivotal point is the transition from the preponderance of British inspired culture to the emergence of a more American orientated one. Somewhere within this transition, meaning somewhere in the last hundred years, as Britain relaxed its influence in Bermuda under the pressure of American influences, Bermudian identity began to solidify. Working within the context of Bermuda’s heightened strategic importance to both nations, over the course of one or two generations, colonial subjects became Bermudians, an individualism that is allied to economic empowerment.

Bermudian identity is, therefore, clearly a complex thing. Because we have no truly indigenous population, our self-projection is heterogeneous, informed by the cultural traditions of multiple nations. These impulses will invariably persist should we chose to go independent; we will be unable to divorce ourselves neatly. However, independence threatens to unseat the amiable relationship we currently experience with America and Britain, be the nature of this relationship financial, diplomatic or cultural.

Furthermore, I find it slightly subversive that the entire Throne Speech is circumscribed by a polemic for independence; it is one of the first topics addressed in the speech, only to be returned to at the end of the speech in a highly gnomic form. To have the Prince speak these words is the epitome of irony; the choice of words, “to have Bermuda rehearse her own voice and to write her own script” is cloying pro-independence propaganda, perhaps reminiscent of the public television station the government plans to establish. I am not baffled that the government continues to push for independence, but perplexed that they continue to push for independence against the wishes of the majority of the population. Polls have shown a staggering lack of support for independence; what frustrates me most of all is that the government is defying one of the most basic functions of democracy: they are not listening to the people that elected them.

In the course of this article I have chosen to focus upon ideas of the self and identity. Independence concerns the very social fabric of the nation; it affects every individual. It therefore seems logical that every individual be allowed a voice, a voice that speaks only on this subject and is unconfused by political allegiance. It is for that reason that, no matter what view on independence an individual holds, this view needs the proper forum to be expressed: a referendum.

Comments

[Jake on 24.11.05 at 10:24]

Very thought provoking, Edward. I enjoyed reading this.

I think you might consider more deeply two things:

(a) the legacy of slavery
(b) the impact of Caribbean culture

Slavery
"However, the experience of slavery is historical; while we should be sensitive to our past, we should also not dwell upon it." - E. Rance
I agree that slavery is in our past, and should not be dwelled upon, but what is involved in being sensitive? The search for a resolution of the issues descended from slavery leads many people to keep pushing for a greater independence. The battle for personal independence was won in the victory of abolition, and certainly furthered by the formal removal of laws of segregation, creating racial independence. The logic that the advent of effective political choice, with the electoral victory of the PLP, marks yet another step foward in this progression, for many of its followers: political independence. A subset take this one step further. They see the independence of the nation as a further necessary step. Others focus on the creation of "black" businesses: economic independence.

My point is that to understand the experience of black people as a group in our society, a greater understanding of how some continue to see slavery as the root of all evils, and independence - however it is defined as the great salvation - is not a side point, but a central one.

This is even more important because in societies where there is no history of slavery there are still social challenges, so certainly there are other evils that exist (gender, sexuality, disability...).

Caribbean Impact
Our culture has always stood on three legs, not two. British politics, American business, and Caribbean society. How else would you explain the role of Calypso, Soca and Reggae? How else can you explain the impact of musicians like Marley or activists like Garvey? In much of our past African American culture has played less of a role. It is perhaps hard to imagine a world of black culture without BET or the NBA, but most of the local music of the past was of the Yellow Bird variety or more recently least Yellow Man (today Beanie Man?) and sports had more to do with Test Match than the World Series; World Cup over the Super Bowl.

Sports and Entertainment create a common experience around which much activity takes place. Organized bodies like the Workman's Clubs also became places for political evolution and even our unique two day national holiday of Cup Match. The game may be British in origin, but its historical context comes from a very Caribbean influenced idea: hiding the celebration of immancipation in the open.

I add these items to highlight how differently we can see independence as communities. If we fail to understand the central role of slavery, and the impact of the Caribbean on our culture, we certainly miss a significant part of the picture.

[Denis on 24.11.05 at 10:29]

I am a young Bermudian of the age of 24.

I utterly OPPOSE independance and believe that young Bermudians have given up on politics simply because nobody cares to listen to us or do anything that is in our interests.

Lets look at the deal young Bermudians have right now:

Due to our relationship with the UK, at present no UK or EU national can take up residence and employment in Bermuda without going through the same immigration procedures that any other Ex-pat is forced to. Visiting our island yields no special privelidges for these nationals as well.

However, comparing the relationship from the opposite point of view, Bermudians have an incredible wealth of opportunity at their disposal. As a Bermudian, I can acquire a British passport that ENTITLES me to the right to reside and work in any EU nation as long as I pay local taxes. I also can travel much of Europe without hassle, zipping past lines as a "EU national" and for that matter I even gain recognition when travelling to the rest of the world.

What happens if we go independant? We will very likely lose these privelidges.

Now certainly I won't argue that independance COULD be good for our nation, however it could also be BAD. It has become readily apparent that international business has lost faith in the stability of our nation given this debate. It's amazing HSBC even wants to build a new building here given our island's volatility and uncertain future.

Should we go independant and any one of the large insurance firms decide that they no longer feel confident in our ability to run our country, they could likely publically announce their intentions to pull out of Bermuda. It is not a far leap to consider that if one larger company does it, it may cause a chain reaction or domino effect that causes all international business to relocate to other offshore jurisdictions. Think the island would be better off without ex-pats? Think again.

If this ever happens we will very quickly find out the true meaning of sustainable development as we find ourselves on an island quickly akin to Easter Island. Think cannibalism is that far off? Better read up on Easter Island and what happened there... Our fancy cars, big spending and focus on image reminds me quite a bit of it and I wouldn't doubt a similar fate.

Independance will effectively RUIN the future of our youths if things don't go positively. Why? Because ultimately older people have savings, inheritance and at least something to fall back on, however youth have little. If we wern't independant and maintained EU status, we could easily pick up and relocate elsewhere for a short time if the situation ever became so dire that it was necessary. We could use this right to train Bermudians abroad now, yet we barely take advantage.

However, if we gave up that right, we would be stuck here with NOWHERE to go, no prospects and NO FUTURE!

It's no wonder that youth don't care about politics. The PLP talked alot about doing something, yet have proven about as useful as tits on a bull to the youth of Bermuda. The UBP isn't much better and I've got news for you. All the bitching by black Bermudians about how the reign of the UBP stifled them 30 years ago is USELESS considering they're doing the same thing to young Bermudians today. I wasn't even BORN when this happened to you, why am I being made part of the blame? If you care about slavery then why don't you take a stand for the portugese, Asians, and Indians that are stuffed into our kitchens and live at nearly inhuman levels. They are our slaves for low and illegal wages, yet nobody complains then. But of course you don't, your only interested in YOUR OWN RETRIBUTION!

Young enterprising Bermudians try to start their own business such as this recent 21 year old trying to import liquor, and the elders of our society kick up a fuss about sinning. What exactly is he doing that hasn't been done before? It's no wonder the youth arn't as religious. We can't have gambling despite the influx of money and tourism it would bring. I say we ban their bingo as certainly it is gambling TOO!

Have you ever considered what it's like to look at the future from a young Bermudian's perspective? Our housing situation is so dire we can barely afford to support ourselves as our lack of experience despite any education entitles us to low wages. That is should we even have been lucky enough to have gotten one worth it's investment, and if you've followed the reports of Bermudians schools, we havn't.

We have no prospect of owning our own homes in our lifetime unless we want to spend our entire lives paying for it.

Every smart young Bermudian knows better. We're busy saving our money so that ultimately we can relocate abroad and buy a nice house there. It is entirely unrealistic to see a future for ourselves here in Bermuda as we'll be working for our entire lives. Is this what our forefathers worked so hard to build?

All old people care about are their Pensions and what they've got coming to them, not what is good for all Bermudians. I bet you know elderly people with apartments that they choose not to rent? They will quickly realise when the hardworking of us all leave in the future that they're left with nobody to pay into their Pension fund and they're left to sleep in the bed they've made.

It comes as no surprise to me that Bermudian youth never speak, for it is clear to me that we never have a say.

[tilti on 24.11.05 at 10:53]

I'm 22 and Bermudian and don't show up to the Throne Speech because I'm at school overseas. I'd imagine that most young Bermudians who were politically interested and wanted to enter the debate would also be abroad 9 months of the year.
to tack on to Denis, I think most young Bermudians who are educated have either given up on government and are only interested in pursuing the private sector, or staying abroad where they can live in their own house.

[The Happiest, Clappiest Uncle Elvis on 24.11.05 at 10:53]

Jake, that was a great, great post.
And thank you, Edward, for the fantastic article.
I'm still processing it, but I just wanted to say thanks!

[Martin on 24.11.05 at 14:13]

Why are the PLP so pro independence and so unheeding to any alternative views? Could it be that the pursuit of independence is the logical extension of the original political struggle for that party; to overthrow the old world colonial oppressor is their ‘reason for being’, their roots. At the heart of the PLP lies a commitment to the pursuit of that struggle. To even debate the issue of independence could be viewed as a debate on the relevance of all the good work done so far to further equality in this society.
The fact that thus far the PLP Party are the heroes who have brought Bermudians to their promised land could be a reason why they will reject any debate at all. They were right to fight that battle. They fought hard and won when others wanted to maintain a status quo. Why would they not be right now even when there are a few dissenting voices? Why would they even listen to those voices when history tells them to battle through?

Well, that might sound either obvious or a bit ridiculous but if there is any substance to that line of thought maybe it could start to explain why there remains so little serious and constructive debate between the two sides.

(Or, maybe it is just P for President after all.)

[Taggy on 24.11.05 at 18:04]

Wow... I see polemic season is open again! You asked for a youthful opinion, Edward, and by golly you got one.

The key question, in my opinion, is: what is the compelling rationale for independence? In other words, is it needed, or just desired? Will it solve Bermuda's problems, or just create a new set of problems for subsequent generations to have to deal with?

I suspect it may just be a wooly metaphor for reform. If the population is screaming for change, the opposition have the easier duty: criticise. If you're in power, you have to propose something radical enough to get attention, to refocus & revitalise your message. The fact is that history shows that the best people to execute reform are the youth. So, politicians, target them: enough of the petit politics, let the well-travelled youth show you the realpolitik!

[Thought You Should Know on 25.11.05 at 02:00]

Ed,

The first nine paragraphs contain interesting obervations. Unfortunately they don't really support the conclusion in your last paragraph. (Incidentally I happen to agree with them, but not for the reasons that you've offered.)

I've read most of your recent postings, and can't help thinking that most are simply a self-indulgent expression of your quite obviously extensive linguistic skills.

You're a Cambridge undergraduate. Therefore we know that you're bright.

You don't need to write prose with a Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level score of 11.7 - versus the average on this blog of 9.6 - to prove it. (Yes - I got MS Word to measure it! See the following link, if you want to know more about them: http://csep.psyc.memphis.edu/cohmetrix/readabilityresearch.htm)

Why not expend your brain-power on a punchy and well constructed arguments instead?

Your posting on Independence attracted less than 1/3 of the responses of the one prior to it about daylight saving.

Given the relative gravity of the two issues, perhaps this is a reflection of your style of communication.

Regards,

'Though You Should Know'

P.S. The Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level of this posting is 9.1. It’s below average for this blog and clearly indicative of the fact that I never went to Cambridge. I probably had to settle for some second-rate institution just south west of Kidlington instead!

[Shark on 25.11.05 at 06:04]

I am a young Bermudian of 21 years and am studying in the UK. Independence is bad for Bermuda and I have talked about with my other friends that have left Bermuda to study abroad. Independence holds no interests or opportunities for the youth of Bermuda as it will effectively mean we are trapped on Bermuda and cant do anything besides economics or business.

It seems that the only majority that want independence are our elders 40-70 years of age who have lived with segregation and the old baggage of the past. To me it seems all you want is for Bermuda to be independent so you have some meaning to this so called struggle (its certainly why the PLP wants independence).
What is needed is for the government to be changed and filled with young people and not aging politicians whose ideas are outdated (which is a problem in all countries including the UK and US.

The age of nationalism is dead, the world is moving towards globalisation and you have to get to grips with that.

While I respect elders and can’t even begin to understand what they went through I have to say it is not relevant to the youth of Bermuda. We just don’t want our future to be determined by your past.

[Denis on 25.11.05 at 10:01]

Shark,

A very well written post and you've certainly put my own comments to shame in the means and emotion in which I choose to portray my own views.

I agree that youth need to be the ones who lead this country to a new future given our greater understanding of the world of tomorrow and what it will bring.

My question for you and other young Bermudians like us is how do we do it? I spent many years abroad at school essentially helpless to doing much of anything in regards to influencing politics and the direction our island is headed.

Now that I'm back on island I feel driven to do something to save Bermuda and put it on a new course before it is too late and there is no future for the likes of those like you and me.

What should we do? I've been told I should look to form a young Bermuda party with membership allowed only to people under the age of 45. Is this something you believe you and others like you would support and think would ultimately be possible?

I would be interested in hearing the opinions of Tilti, yourself and other young Bermudians both locally and abroad on what we as the future of Bermuda can do to bring change before it's too late.

Thought You Should Know,

Had to laugh at your analysis, though true. I wondered what the point of "blasé indifference" was as don't both words mean nearly the same thing making it redundant?

FYI: Apparently my readability score on this posting is 10.7. I'm trained as just a lowly engineer so - Do me speak good english?

[Somers on 25.11.05 at 10:41]

I would join and vote for your party if you provided a platform that I could agree with based on issues that were important for all Bermudians. Just saying you are going to chart a new course ain't going to get my support - I would like to know what you stand for on major issues.

Unfortunately too many Bermudians in the last election didn't think like me it would seem, and still don't...

[J Starling on 25.11.05 at 13:00]

Afternoon. I am not necessarily opposed to an independent Bermuda, but I do think that the current independence push by the PLP leadership is more for smokescreen purposes than anything else. The hope was that it would catch the attention of many voters away from the legitimate problems facing us, i.e. the state of public education, the growing dependence on drugs and the resulting crime, the obvious failure of Berkely and BHC, etc. It was successful to a degree - the very fact that we are discussing it here for example. There are splits within the leadership itself, and this will lead to any independence movement being through a referundum unless Scott wants to go the way of Smith. I do think Bermuda will be fine as an independent state provided we prepare properly for it and tackle our more immediate issues head on now especially dealing with the diversification of the economy. My main objection to the current colonial system is that we have absolutely no say in UK politics, even though we are part of the UK. Ideally I would like a British Federation along with a Federal Parliament of all British. If this is not possible then I think we should indeed go ahead with independence, but lets bring ourselves up quality wise so we are ready for it.

[Shark on 25.11.05 at 13:04]

forming a new party is a good idea but a massive logistics programe would be needed as most young bermudians are out of the country studying in either the UK, EU, USA or Canada (we are scaterd across the globe :). A website could help in brining youg bermudains from all over the world together if not for a party it would atleast be a forume for young bermudians to talk to each other (if one dosent exist already).

We are are still able to vote (i was called up for the regiment so i can probally vote) and im finding out how i can vote from the UK if a referendome on independece is called while im still studying and the same for a general election.

Just hoping those voting will take into consideration the feelings of young bermudians when or if they get to cast there vote on independece.

[SmokingGun on 25.11.05 at 14:05]

Denis -

Rule #1. Don't throw away a sizeable chunk of the electorate for the sake of a self-serving agenda. Anyone 46 and up is automatically out?

Rule #2. Never discriminate.

[silencedogood on 25.11.05 at 16:26]

Jake,

Thanks very much for your post. It was one of the most informative I've read on this blog and finally gave me an answer to why the PLP is so focused on independence.

I still can't agree that this is the correct reasoning or position on Independence, but I can see how people have logically come to this point of view. This is why I visit this site.

[Denis on 25.11.05 at 16:33]

SmokingGun,

Thank you for your comments. Certainly I am not stating ideas set it stone. This was one suggestion provided to me from someone who suggested we need a youthful party to distinguish itself from the present options. It inspired me that we need a new party with new ideas and sparking the interests and the voice of youth is certainly something that is needed on our island as more and more become disinterested and disillusioned.

Realistically I believe we just need a new alternative. Not the NLP, not Independants and with the UBP and PLP both losing support on either side, neither of those either.

Realistically many people simply won't vote for the UBP based upon their misgivings of the past, and I don't blame them. I won't vote for the PLP because I thought it was absolutely ignorant that they could be running as a leading party of our country (and ultimately win) and obtain support based upon no platform but one of what color your skin is. Plus they seem quite blatant that it is their time to do as the UBP did rather then doing what is best for our island.

Certainly much recognition should be brought to the terrible misgivings many black Bermudians had to endure under the leadership of the UBP, but I don't agree with sacraficing our future to attone for a past that now heavily resides in the memories of the elders of our society. I was a child at the time the UBP was in power and thus have mostly only become politically aware in the time of the PLP. I have grown up in the wake of their decisions and they are ultimately the leading party of our country for the last 2 terms. I see only the future as my knowledge of the past is clouded by much hearsay as I will wholly admit I cannot begin to imagine what it was like as I did not live through it.

Here is what I propose:

I want to find people willing to form a new party, whether young or old, black, white, portuguese, indian, asian or whatever, the only requirement is Bermudian. I have no quarrel with any group and agree that any form of discrimination is likely a poor idea. You are indeed very correct that all should be welcome and any kind of division between our peoples will ultimately divide our country, especially where we need to strive to find more unity. I was mistaken to propose such a party as ultimately it would be my wish to include all people regardless of race, age, color, sexual orientation or any other forseeable category.

In order to obtain the many voices of those both locally and abroad I propose setting up a Wiki similar to www.wikipedia.org to facilitate the development of a unifying party platform.

Any person would be able to log in and contribute ideas and suggestions to assist in the building of a platform that serves all people. Ideas could be discussed and debated in blog style form just as they are on wikipedia and sites like this one. All this before being ultimately approved by the collective of members and set as part of the official platform.

We have very much technology at our disposal that I would hope we could utilize and promote. This does not mean that we should not also do as much as we can to still provide those without the technical capacity to still contribute and become informed through traditional means such as paper publication.

I could care less what the ultimate goals of the party are, whether to persue independance or any other issues as ultimately it is the voice and direction of Bermudians as a people that is most important, not the views of one individual. Every person should have the ability to contribute an idea and a voice without discrimination, harassment or stifling as no idea is a bad one. The goal would be to welcome any idea to help us best choose ideas of what would be of most benefit to the future success of our beautiful paradise.

This is ideally what I would like to start. However that gets formed, whether as a young focused party, or some other new party, I am wholly in support of it. We ultimately need a new choice as both the UBP and PLP have proven that neither can unite our country effectively and both are losing the support and interest of our people.

I would welcome any assistance, suggestions and ideas as to how I could go about starting this. I myself have the technical resources and knowledge at my disposal to launch such a website however I simply don't have the financial resources, knowledge and experience to make forming a party and obtaining support happen on my own, though I am working to change that.

My views are ultimately flexible and I won't deny that I often let my passion for making a difference cloud the clarity of the message I am trying to portray. If you can excuse my youthful ignorance, I hope you will see that my interest truly lies in what is best for our island as a whole. I hope you should you see this that you would offer your support in helping me bring change to our nation. I won't deny I may be young and inexperienced, however I am eager to learn with each new day and hopefully learn from the ideas, knowledge and views that each Bermudian hopes to share in making our island great.

With great sincerity,

Denis Pitcher

Shark,

Unfortunately you need to be on island to vote and need to ensure you are registered with a physical signature through the Elections office. Contact www.elections.gov.bm to ensure that you are registered and eligible as there have been occurances in the past where people have been called to regiment where they actually were not of Bermudian status. The list comes from those born in Bermuda, not those who are officially Bermudian.

Ultimately, you will need to be on island during the time of the vote which depends on the time the election is called and set by the party in power. This can actually serve as a political ploy to call an election early so that students abroad are less likely to vote if they are so deemed to likely vote against the party in power. So be wary as you may have to return on your own dollar should you truly want to be able to express your right to vote.

[SmokingGun on 25.11.05 at 16:55]

"I won't deny I may be young and inexperienced, however I am eager to learn with each new day and hopefully learn from the ideas, knowledge and views that each Bermudian hopes to share in making our island great." - Denis

Thanks for taking the time the clarify your comments. Once upon a time I was young and inexperienced too. I'm not yet old and certainly not fully experienced but I know there are others that are who share the same compassions and desires as the young Bermudians much like yourself.

Getting the view point of the younger crowd is just as important as the older crowd for the important fact is that the younger crowd have the time and the energy to make change.

I certainly would join a third party.

[Shark on 25.11.05 at 17:04]

all contact them to see what my options are and i am willing to spend money to go back to bermuda before the vote and vote then go back to the UK on something as importent as the general election and a possible vote on independece.

Id also support a third party.

[Big Bad Wolf ^..^ on 25.11.05 at 17:08]

Heah Smoking Gun the Wolf might give you a Xmas present that you seem to want ^..^ Pat a wolf he could be come a friend!

[Denis on 25.11.05 at 17:21]

I'm pleased to hear people would support a third party.

I am working to figure out how to register an organization and apply for a .bm domain name so I could effectively launch a wiki to get things started. As I suggested, my interest is in composing a platform of the views of all Bermudians, not of myself. This I believe has been the prime reason why previous attempts at a 3rd party have failed, as they did not encompass the views of all Bermudians.

Here is my question: What would you suggest we call it?

I've had the following suggestions so far:

Young Bermuda Party (YBP)
Benevolent Dictators Association (BDA)
- makes me laugh for dictator, but a good suggestion none the less. Wish I could remember the name of the guy who suggested it to give him credit.

[Guilden M. Gilbert, Jr. on 25.11.05 at 17:34]

Denis,

I think Bermuda is long overdue for a viable third political party. You idea that the party platform would encompass the views of all of Bermuda would be novel. As there is no party within the Bermuda political sphere that has truly done this, they all they want to represent all of Bermuda but their words are never put in writing.

I would be interested to be kept up to dat ewith how you progress and if you can get it launched I think it would be a good thing.

[Phil on 25.11.05 at 17:44]

Denis

I applaud your enthusiasm. Your idea of using a wiki to develop a platform is also an interesting one. However, I am uncertain how you plan to "encompass the views of all Bermudians" while still having a coherent party platform.

For example (and keeping this related to the original topic of this thread), some Bermudians believe the Island should be independent; some do not. How do you propose to resolve fundamental differences such as these?

[Big Bad Wolf ^..^ on 25.11.05 at 18:06]

Actually it would be a Fourth Party the NLP is moth balled but not disbanded.Re Working out a platform easy...get a small group of thinkers together and make a list of the ten most important issues and develop policies and ideas in a coherent way to attract members and voters.Here is a little list:Education,Transport,Immigration& Employment,Economy and taxation ,Enviroment,Health,Tourism,Technology,Law,Independence,Human Rights,Electoral Reform,Police and Regiment,Social Services Services,Culture,Marine and Fisheries.Civil Service Reform. Ok thats the short list--

[Big Bad Wolf ^..^ on 25.11.05 at 18:08]

Oh the name the Bermuda Democratic Alliance..Bda.Our first task to support a referendum on Independence....Right Here Right NOW

[Shark on 25.11.05 at 19:04]

it is very difficult to have a party ecomposing all views (something to my mind has never been done before). Most partys have a fundemental motive at there heart whith which they launch there platforms.

One way this could be done (and please dont laugh im trying to be serious) is have a poll or vote for various topics (that would be turnerd into the party manefesto)about Bermuda that could only be filled in my members of this party and choose the majority vote. Sort of like the whole party votes for what direction it will take. Though im am unsure how viable this is.

[J Starling on 26.11.05 at 09:24]

It is not possible to set up a party that encompsses the views of all Bermudians as there are too many competing and contradictory interests. At best one could produce a one issue campaign,, like an anti-independence party, but even this would not represent the views of all Bermudians. It is simply bourgeois idealism to think everyone will somehow completly agree on one party platform. The most likely area for a third party to have success with is that of a Green Party that has a decidedly leftist edge to it - many of the traditional UBP supporters would support a Green Party platform, while a sizeable number of PLPers are disaffected with the PLP because it is seen as too UBP and too little PLP. Thus a leftist Green Party. Even then it requires a herculean effort logistics wise to set up such a party. It would be far better to attempt reforming the current parties, and if that fails, you have a nucleua that can leave the party and already have a form of the party machinery. Even then, remember, the next election will be sometime between summer of 2006 and summer 2007 - is this enough time?

[Big Bad Wolf ^..^ on 26.11.05 at 10:18]

Good points thats why it is important to have more political choice than just two parties.Three four or five would be better and mean much better competion for existing seats in the house.Translation probably better representation for the Bermuda voters.

[SmokingGun on 26.11.05 at 11:11]

"Wolfie, how funny you said that. I've also thought of the exact same moniker along with some similar ideas as to it's make-up. Then again when I heard all this talk of independence I started thinking along the lines of just a simple benevolent dictatorship and creating the Bermuda Liberation Army or BLA. Our platform and slogan would be "bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.....just get it done."

Posted by SmokingGun on 02.10.05 at 14:33

Denis - I am still willing to offer up my services....... :-D

BBW - I certainly enjoy receiving xmas gifts... and giving them too.

[Denis on 26.11.05 at 14:47]

Creating a political party encompassing the views of all Bermudians is certainly no easy task.

Shark actually had it closest to the plan of what I would propose.

Lets take the Limey's suggestion of independance for example.

What is the issue here?

For many PLP supporters the issue is more about achieving individual independance for all those who felt stifled by the events of the past. As Jake very intelligently pointed out, much of the issue has been following from one step to the next to achieve new levels of personal indepndance. The next logical step for many is full independance from the UK to achieve the ability to stand on our own and self represent. Anyone who has followed the history of other Caribbean islands who have attempted similiar will quickly realise this is inherently risky and we may end up not being able to sustain ourselves and subvert into a 3rd world nation.

For many UBP supporters, the argument is completely different. Independance is about economic empowerment and a future for our nation. Certainly many would support independance, myself included, however we won't if there is no "Plan" in place to ensure it's the right choice to make. It's like my comments in an earlier post regarding the PLP. I am shocked that they can get elected solely on the basis of the color of their skin. They launched no platform for the last election and certainly in my eyes I won't dispute that they've done a tremendous job as a political party for they've accomplished everything they said they would - they've been the Black party. By not putting anything down on paper, they've essentially made themselves not accountable for anything. Do we want to go independant under the same premise - no accountability and no plan?

We have a grave tendency to take cheap shots at each other rather then addressing the issues at hand. Just look at most posts in comments here on Limey - Limey himself has on occasion withdrawn himself from posting as well as restricted comments just because people don't intelligently argue the facts and instead choose to flame each other. Look back in this very thread and you'll see "Thought you should know" targeting Ed's initial post with commentary on his "Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level". Is this not something that could have been reserved for a personal email? Last time I checked most people post an email address with their comments and all it does is discredit the poster rather then discuss the content of his message which was the true point of his post.

The true debate over independance in Bermuda is much like everything else that gets debated here - people lose track of the point because they get too focused on arguing the medium and structure of the message rather then focusing on the key issues and content.

What we need is a forum of discussion on each topic to best address the key issues from both sides. This was what was needed from the BIC report, however their omission of the UBP's contribution to the report and the director's recent defamation of every media outlet, prominant UBP supporter and essentially "white people" in general has shown that it is simply more and more propaganda rather then a clear analysis and proposal of the facts.

If you visit Wikipedia.org and explore around a little, you'll familiarize yourself with the wiki concept. What a Wiki is, is the ability for many people to cross collaborate (work together) to compile a document. You can search and look up any topic, from religion to politics, to science and technology. The beauty of it is, you yourself can contribute your own knowledge on any topic you like. For your own interest, do a search on "Bermuda". You may be quite facinated to find that this site has a wealth of information about Bermuda that is growing with each new day. You yourself can click on the "edit this page" link of any page on the entire site and make modifications to the text, design and content of the site. You can also click on "history" to view all of the changes that have been made, by who, when and even revert back to older versions if incorrect submissions are made.

So lets imagine for a moment that we had a wiki powered political party website, or even an independant organization dedicated to discussing and evaluating the issues from both sides. We could establish open forums of discussion on standard topics such as independance. Through those discussions and the arguements people make, we could compile a wiki page on the key "ideas" presented from both points of view. This allows us to provide an independant report (much cheaper and better then paying someone like the BIC to produce one) truly consisting of the views of Bermudians. We could even elect two representatives to take on arguing either side much like a legal debate and their job would be to compile the best argument for their nay or yay side of the debate.

Ultimately we could then turn around and just as Shark suggested, hold a mini-referrendum on the issue comprised of a vote based upon the knowledge and information that is provided. Now certainly not every party member wants to stay on top of the issues and vote, so we could devise a scheme where either the majority who vote have control, or members are able to delegate their voting power to other members or their own representative that they trust.

Now certainly many may argue that there are many Bermudians who are not computer savvy and this certainly should be an issue of consideration. However, given our island's small size, it would not be difficult to produce a newsletter or publish in the paper a listing of new topics and a summary of key points. We could even set up automated phone systems for people to be able to dial in, enter their member registration and personal password and vote as they desire.

The point of all this is that what I meant by a "unifying platform" was not the be all and end all magical solution that was going to make everyone happy. However, it would allow us to best guage the true issues of the Bermuda public and choose the best course of action. Certainly some may not agree with the direction we take, but certainly you cannot always win. I myself would be happy to lose my EU citizenship if our "plan" for independance meant better prosperity for the future. I refuse however to throw away such a wonderful resource on mystical speculation.

The key is education on the issues. Most people, if they knew the unbiased pros and cons of an issue are intelligent enough to be able to make their own decisions. Much of the problem with the UBP and PLP as they exist today is that there is too much confusion between what each party is trying to accomplish. Even problems like the housing crisis and how do we utilize our landspace are issues that are hotly debated in government, but it's difficult to get a good feel for where each side really stands unless you get heavily involved.

Limey in Bermuda is a great example of how foreign influence has helped us cut through red tape. Look at the throne speech, I read the newspapers online most days and to be honest I didn't even know it was on till I heard about it on the radio the morning of. I checked the newspapers online that day and there was no mention of the event placed prominantly, no front page article. I didn't understand the point of the speech, especially considering the PLP's promotion of independance, which made it seem ironic. So I turned to the Limey who very thankfully provided a consise summary of the key points of the Throne Speech which meant I didn't have to attend or read through the entire speech myself to get the gist of it. It took me a span of 5 minutes to understand what was being said.

So, if you read through this horrendously long and drawn out posting I apologize for I can summarize it now for those who skipped to the end:

- We need a clear source of unbiased reviews of both sides of each debate.
- Along with this we need consise summaries that are accessable to all Bermudians which are easy to digest and don't require indepth knowledge of the underlying issues to make a decision for or against.
- Through this, each Bermudian could be more educated on the key points of each issue and be able to decide for themselves what direction they support or deligate their voting power to someone they trust.
- Ultimately focusing our discussions and future more on the content of the message and less on the medium and structure is the key goal of this iniatitive. Rather then letting ourselves bicker and become confused on the issues, thus holding us back from any true progress.

[Denis on 26.11.05 at 14:58]

J Starling,

I wanted to respond to your comments directly. You make some good points and yes the election is fast approaching.

The key to realise here is that there is no quick fix. Ultimately this is what the PLP is trying to accomplish with Independance and many Bermudians are buying into it. Some go so far as to believe it's going to rid our island of expats and turn it into a paradise where we can all live peacefully together.

Ultimately it's unrealistic.

Getting a party started by this summer: also likely unrealistic unless there was a tremendous amount of support behind it. People are always wary of voting for new iniatives.

You suggest the Green Party for example, and yes they are quite a good model as they are very much about change but also sustainable development, environmentalism and focusing on issues that are key to our survival as a society on the long term.

However, if you watch the progress of the Green Party, for example in Canada, it is taking them forever to establish a presense in the political spectrum. Few choose to vote for them because they fear their vote will be wasted and would much prefer to choose the lesser of 3 evils. This accounts for much division and lack of forward movement for the party.

Unfortunately we likely can't fix Bermuda politics for the next election. I could hope we don't make any drastic changes for I ask how bad are we honestly doing right now? Not terrible, just it could be better. But under that notion, it could always be better.

What I'm proposing is a new approach to politics in Bermuda. We utilize technology more because we are one of very few nations that are small enough yet prominant and successful enough to be able to pull it off.

You suggested we do more to fix the system we have. I suggest that elder people who are uneducated on the issues are more likely to vote based upon strictly bias. If the PLP launches no platform, how can you know whether the UBP's platform is any good? You've got nothing to compare it to.

What I proposed in my last post is a system that would work for a new party or even an independant commission dedicated to managing the party in power and the opposition. Weighing the merits of each topic and giving a public face for people to be able to view the pros and the cons are what I believe is most needed here in Bermuda.

We have such a small island yet it is very hard to stay informed about politics without getting heavily involved. More could be done to simplify the situation.

Ultimately we don't need a new party and your right it'll be a hell of alot of work... the question is are either the UBP and PLP and their loyal supporters willing to actually consider change in the face of the future or is it going to take a new choice to make it a reality?

[Aruba on 26.11.05 at 15:12]

I agree with Thought You Should Know. For me, the article is just too verbose for the real issues to stand out. Unfortunately, many of our local public figures also seem to take the same approach. I usually have to turn off the radio or TV when the likes of Paula Cox or the the PLP spokesman (Scott Simmons I think) get going, Grant Gibbons too. They tend to say about 100 words when 10 would do.

In contrast, I was watching CNN the other day and Larry King was interviewing one of the US Supreme Court judges. His answers to complex issues about the constitution, bill of rights etc were clear and direct. Most importantly, he was understandable to people like me with no knowledge of such things. Not an "um-um" in sight.

If politicians (PLP/UBP/Gombey Liberation Party) could get their message across in a more straighforward, to-the-point fashion, I would have much more confidence in them making decisions on my behalf. It should be obvious to them by now that communication is key when it comes to the independence debate, and to getting votes.

For the record, I'm a 27 yr old Bermudian (seems to be the done thing on this thread)

[Bill Cook on 26.11.05 at 18:14]

Aruba,

I sympathise with you there.

We have very few speakers who can articulate well and tend to drone on in a boring fashion or are such bare faced liars you think its Saturday Night Live comedy time.

I watched that interview with Larry King and it was clear and concise.

Remember though that Larry King has a huge staff who produce that show maybe 50 people and it looks so unrehearsed etc.

I had breakfast beside him most mornings last month as his offices are only 2 blocks away from my hotel which he uses.

A lot of his staff must work on his make up as he looks almost comotose in real life and I am pretty sure his show is well rehearsed even if its so called live,just try calling in one night, its impossible as I have often tried.

However you are correct it is not easy for someone like yourself to get clear unbiased information that you need in order to make sensible decisions and it should be addressed at once.

[Denis on 26.11.05 at 23:46]

I don't disagree with Thought You Should Know, but this is exactly my point. Here we are discussing the merits of how well Edward could articulate his viewpoints and comparing it to the likes of Larry King.

Have we all not forgotten that this is a blog??? Nobody here is getting paid for their viewpoints, certainly not the millions Larry King likely makes. This isn't even a newspaper, so why are we commentating on what is clearly Ed's efforts to get more experience at writing and simply share his views? Larry King has years of experience in the public eye and as Bill pointed out, 50 people to back him up.

I for one believe Thought You Should Know's comments were of poor taste. Certainly his comments could have been made in a personal email rather then what seems like a public defamation of Ed's education? All he has done is discouraged Ed from posting again rather then focusing more on the point Ed was trying to make.

Perhaps Edward's post was long winded, hell I have a tendancy to rabbit on myself, however we very quickly forget that he is doing alot more then many would be willing.

Edward has taken a stand to make his views known publically and let his name be associated with it. He is one of very few who have had the balls to answer Limey's call for writers to this blog site. I don't see Thought You Should Know even posting his real name let alone signing up to have his own writing critiqued.

In Bermuda especially, putting yourself in the public eye is a very difficult thing to do because you have to face this very small community and people talking about you and your comments.

It comes as no surprise to me that we lack talented people who put themselves in the public eye. Being in politics pays nothing and certainly if you have talent it is much more lucrative and much less stressful to be in the private sector. You don't have to put up with constant character defamations.

I won't deny that many of our politicians have about as much character as a blank piece of paper. However I will commend them for having to continually put up with constant negative flaming when all they're really trying to do is make a difference. We seem to quickly forget that.

I for one would like to commend Edward on his post. His comments helped inspire me to take a stand myself and make my voice heard as a young Bermudian.

Ed, I hope you keep on writing and use this site as a means to hone your skills and don't be discouraged from people who target the structure and medium of the message rather then the content itself.

[Bill Cook on 27.11.05 at 07:47]

Denis,

While it may be true that you tend to write rather long posts and so have others here nevertheless you all have to be commended for them.

They all have one thing in common in that they reflect caring for our community and furthermore taking time out to articulate your feelings so it is rewarding to see the committment to better understanding by all.

When dealing with complicated and important issues it is a daunting task.

I have perhaps a too simplistic mind as I feel all politicians should at ALL times strive to do that which is morally correct not what is politically expedient as to be deliberately dishonest may win in the short term it will lose in end and destroy its proponents.

Duplicity combined with bumbling incompetence is all too common with politicians combined with inflated egos and is the enemy of truth and progress leading to such public disenchantment that it makes it even more difficult to get those with proven ability and a high standard of ethical conduct to get attracted and involved.

I respect that Wolf and many of his PACK were willing to swim against the tide when it was no easy thing because of a real and honest desire to bring about meaningful change but such folk are becoming fewer for the above reasons.

I think Eds contribution is both timely and pertinent and would encourage him to continue.

Independence is not like oxygen, water, or food so it is not vital to our survival.

It means different things to different people and virtually nothing at all to some also.

I feel the context of what it means must be viewed by how Bermuda in its totality will move forward for the betterment of all not by satisfying the needs of some at the expense of others ergo it must be a COLLECTIVE effort or not at all.

Dividing a country in two in order to advance it is illogical and impractical.

I hypothosise if we were collectively together in advancing our community and improving the quality of life how much REAL interest independence would generate ?

[Edward Rance on 27.11.05 at 08:36]

I am somewhat disappointed by the fact that fewer comments have been posted on what I said rather than how I said it. Although, I think this is probably relevant to the independence debate. My personal style may incline to verbosity; I will acknowledge this as a weakness. However, when writing this article, I found it impossible to adequately address the multitudinous issues with independence without in some way short-changing myself. As it stands, the conclusion is hasty and mismatched, deserving of a post in its own right. Joyce once said that the reason why Ulysses was difficult to read was not because of the way in was written, but rather the complexity of the subject matter demanded a style of similar pitch. While I am not comparing this post to a seminal work of literature, I think the point is valid. My attempt to deal with independence and the buzz that this attempt is generated represents the complexity of independence: its difficulties and our varying personal reactions.

As for Larry King, the format is different. It is a talk show, it follows a pattern of dialogue. The audience and speaker are directed by prompting questions. This medium is much freer, therefore less constrained by time and length considerations. Indeed, Phil himself requested lengthy posts when he made the appeal.

[Edward Rance on 27.11.05 at 08:37]

Btw, the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level of that post was 10.3.

[Big Bad Wolf ^..^ on 27.11.05 at 09:21]

Bill to answer your last question...It would have no interest.Regarding polotics if you set out to help other people and your society and listen to the voters then you are a statesman but if you like the sound of your own voice and are interested in helping yourself then you are a politician....Now count how many Statesman Bermuda has?....depressing is it not?

[Bill Cook on 27.11.05 at 10:07]

Wolf,

I think honesty is an endangered species !

I do not mind if one wants to do well for themselves in life but at the same time truly wants to contribute to the betterment of society.

I can even try to understand someone hating me based on my race, but what I can never forgive is someone pretending to be and espouse what they want you to believe them to be to further their own agenda.

Listen I have tremendous respect for a sincere politician even if they are almost as imperfect as me because I have in a small way knowledge of the sacrifice they make to serve, taking so much bullshit from those who contribute FA in many cases, I know you yourself went through this and the price you paid.

However we must not lose heart because in the midst of the muck and mire there every so often emerges a youthful voice full of goodwill and forward looking that uplifts the spirit and revitalises optimism.

In particular I am impressed with so many young people of all categories who more and more are thinking for themselves and making sense in Bermuda.

[Big Bad Wolf ^..^ on 27.11.05 at 10:26]

My heart continues to be big as yours...I have hope for the future and in the same way I am happy to see Chelsea top of the league instead of Man U...I know the PLP are not going to be able to stay on top based on how they are behaving today.

[Phil on 27.11.05 at 11:34]

I'd like to keep this thread about independence please.

However feel free to continue the more general discussion about a third party here.

[Denis on 27.11.05 at 12:34]

I have continued my comments in the thread suggested by Limey. Please go there to view them.

I would appreciate any and all feedback.

[Shark on 27.11.05 at 14:49]

Back to the topic you all know why i think independence is bad. And if Bermuda dose go down this route the majority of young bermudians will leave for good as Bermuda will hold no good prospects for them except the narrow buisness route or possible marine reaserch route. in fact my cousin who is studying in Canada said she would permently move there if Bermuda went independent.

So lets see you would have a country with an aging population and no young people to run things as our elders get older.

Thats why those who can vote should think of young bermudians and not there own desire to have bermuda independent in there lifetime for their own emotional reasons.

[Shark on 27.11.05 at 16:28]

cure is curse (not again)

[Denis on 27.11.05 at 17:23]

Shark,

I wholehartedly agree. The PLP has not done much for youth and going independant will likely only spell more problems.

Bermuda already holds few prospects for youth as it stands. Most are oblivious to the bleak future outlook as housing gets more expensive and issues rise.

I have given consideration to relocating to europe now to establish a presense just so I can hold onto my EU status.

The real question is: What will happen to the youth of Bermuda who arn't lucky enough to be dual citizens if things go under?

Countries like Canada won't necessarily take in young Bermudians who have few skills, a poor education and little to offer. This is where our present government has left us as a generalized whole.

The youth of Bermuda will cause great unrest if they're put into such a poor position. The signs are already showing. Violence, crime and drug abuse will skyrocket as youth lose hope in their future.

This of course, is assuming that things follow a negative path. I don't suppose you would argue that things as a whole have gotten better in the last 7 years?

I fail to understand how Independance will be a good thing for the youth of Bermuda.

[Ethiops on 27.11.05 at 18:30]

Independence thoughts are usually little nightmares for me, to even think on the issue gives me headaches. To think we could have leaders that push this agenda and think we don’t see their clear inconsideration of our well being sickens the living daylights out of me. It’s such a cheap blow to us all really. I mean for Christ sake we just got dual citizenship. Ok so a few may not be interested does that mean the whole should be refused the luxury. The idea that blacks aren’t interested in Europe is an insult to us all black, white or in-between. I swear we are really run by jokers. What can we do? What can we do? To speak on the fragile IB sector is senseless we all know the deal. Embassy’s cost ain’t cheap either. All for what to say we’re Bermudians. Give me a break. This island would sink. Times would get so hard! Crime would evolve into more violent ones. Those that could move would. The rest would have to sit it out and watch the pot boil over. What makes us think we will be any different than the other countless nations that went pretty much belly up once going independent? Our cyber dollar will look so cute on the international market. With so much to do under the guise of Britain who will accord our wishes, it’s nothing short of pathetic that our leaders push this agenda.

[Thought That You Should Know on 28.11.05 at 22:43]

Ed,

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Verbosity and verbose pomposity are not the same thing.

For the record - I have no problem with your educational background.

I am ex-Oxbridge myself and about 18 years ago used to write in much the same style that you do.

In my first year at college one of my peers kindly told me that I wrote like a pompous **** in front of a good number of my friends and colleagues.

I didn't like it much, but it did make me think a little about my writing style.

After I'd had time to reflect on this, I realised that this person was right.

Now I'm just thankful that I was told.

Shoot for a F-KGL score of 9 or below.

Trust me (as if you would), it can be done.

I'll (and I expect we'll all) be watching.

Later,

TTYSK

[americanbermudian on 29.11.05 at 19:42]

I'm 22... I get the feeling that others of my generation aren’t very vocal about the independence issue because they aren’t here, they’re too busy trying to scrape a living/earn the qualifications needed to compete with non-Bermudians or they don’t plan on being here to see the effects of the decision. I can barely find the time between working full time and studying to post on this website.

[jake on 29.11.05 at 20:11]

On writing:

The intention should be to be understood. Good writing does not come from scorecard, but from its ability to meet its purpose.

You had some interesting ideas Edward, and while your writing style does require refinement, you should think of that more as better writing, not less intelligent writing.

Have a conversation with your audience.

[Nicolette on 01.12.05 at 11:43]

This, as reported to day in the Gleaner, is far from the first time. Please tell me how much pride is engendered by independence when you have to keep going back to the UK to pay off or forgive your debts....it's not excatly behaving independently...it's like the prodigal child returning for a handout...

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20051201/lead/lead1.html

[bw&p?? on 01.12.05 at 11:57]

Nicolette,
I think it's very racist of you point out a possible negative effect of going independent. I'm sure that this is just a short economic downturn in the immediate wake of Jamaica's decision to self rule and that they will soon be a shining example for Bermuda to follow.

[tilti on 01.12.05 at 12:08]

bw&p, I hope that is a joke. Don't confuse racism with eceonomic rationality and perspective. It is condascending to Nicoleete's intelligence. Coreect me if I'm wrong but Jamaica went independent in 1964, that is a long economic downture, not short, not sweet, and there is no sign of it getting better. She has a great point, the gaining of independence created dependence. Ironic, if somewhat predictable. Tell me where racism figures into it before you use such language.