Living in harmony
Alvin Williams makes some interesting points about racial integration in his column in this week’s Mid Ocean News. He argues that integration has been more about grafting black people into white society and points to examples of de facto segregation to back up his claim.
In some respects, he’s right. Integration is more about blacks integrating into white society than the other way round. But since desegregation was about giving blacks access to the same opportunities as whites, and since white society was where most of those opportunities were located, surely that’s not surprising?
Mr. Williams provides his own example of why there’s nothing remarkable about this one-way integration. “It has always been accepted that a majority of white children will attend private school while the majority of blacks will go to public school,” he says. “And this remains a fact despite the one-way integration in recent decades of black children into private schools.” Yet since it is widely acknowledged that Bermuda’s public schools are inferior to its private ones, why would white children be trying to integrate with the public schools?
In his last paragraph Mr. Williams asks a question that I would never have expected to hear from a Bermudian: “As a black Bermudian, what do I really have in common with my fellow white Bermudian which will allow us to live in harmony?”. Since his question appears to be genuine, I'll answer it.
What you have in common, Mr. Williams, is that you’re all Bermudians, sharing the same tiny island in the middle of the ocean.
It's as simple as that.
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Yeah Alvin! Its not like we have to like each other. Thats why we have politics.
Also, its an innane comment that illustrates the insulation of the black community. He can integrate what he wants to. He probably does.
And which part of white society would he like to avoid? Which trait of the so-called white identity would he and his putative brothers care to abjure? Is it even possible? He does he have in common with the white community? Uh, what does he not? His question should be how to get out; if its such a problem for him.
This kind of talk gets me vexed. One way integration is a personal choice. If he thinks he is one integtating, all he and his people have to do is not do it. Spend some money on public education. Write a history of Black Bermudians and cultivate the study of African/ Carribean history in schools. ( And he's just the guy to do it) Hey! Whatever happened to all that, PLP! What ever happened to the mandate assigned by "Redemption Song"! Where are the prophets? All turned into profits.
You want an identity? Go get one.
Williams can be much better than this: complain complain complain. Fine old Bermuda tradition we all share. Hey Brother Alvin! Let's get together and moan!
Posted by blovator on 08.01.06 at 13:55
I'd add onto Blovator's point, it isn't even a white black issue.
I would assume that Williams is talking about some stereotypical white identities that he doesn't like; RBYC memberships, golf, tea parties and old boys clubs. But all of those are only particular to a certain (small) segment of the white population and loathing towards them is not limited to non-whites. I am white and I too detest these things, but I do integrate in elements of that society where I see fit, when it is to my benefit, or I like it. When this isn't the case, I don't.
Posted by tilti on 08.01.06 at 14:43
"As a black Bermudian, what do I really have in common with my fellow white Bermudian which will allow us to live in harmony?”.
First off, I went to both public and private school. Does that make be a better integrationer? Just curious...
So let's see... what do we have in common?
- Cup Match... unless you're a Somerset supporter. Then we have nothing in common and you can piss off.
- Mayonnaise on french fries.
- Seasoning salt on french fries... and everything else!
- We don't go swimming before 24th of May. Ever.
- One night too many up at Rum Runners.
- One afternoon too many down at Casey's!
- That little half-smile and eye-roll we both get when someone plays "Yellow Bird" or "Wings of a Dove"
- A healthy respect and fear of any older woman, especially a black woman, with one shoe in her hand. Yes, even white folks aren't THAT stupid!
- On the same subject, a borderline phobia of the wooden spoon and oleander branches.
- That little smile and head-chuck we share when we get caught admiring a "Longtail" walking down Front Street in July.
- Memories of College Weeks.
- Letters to Santa.
- As teeneagers, making up the most filthy Letters to Santa we could, then doing the best Kieth Hart-as-Santa impression we could. (Ok, maybe that was just me and my brother, but, if you heard him say "And little Loquietia Bean wants a KEN...DOLLLL... with a 9 inch... PEEEEnis", you'd wet yourself.)
(Sorry, tangent...)
- A deep and abiding love for the Cyrus motorcycle they had on display down at the airport. (Tell me you don't covet that thing and I'll call you a liar!)
- Codfish and potatoes down at Young Men's Social Club on Sunday morning after a long Saturday night.
Anyone else?
Posted by Uncle Elvis on 08.01.06 at 15:41
- You know which building is "You May Telephone From Here".
- Getting a Goat Roti at Mongols when you very clearly asked for beef, but didn't notice until you were half-way through due to drunkeness at 4.30am.
- You know what a Honda helmet is and would have killed for one at aged 16.
- You eat Beef pies with ketsup and mayonaise on 'er!
Theres a few anyway. ;-)
Posted by ace on 08.01.06 at 16:41
- A healthy respect and fear of any older woman, especially a black woman, with one shoe in her hand. Yes, even white folks aren't THAT stupid!
LOL! Good one Elvis.
Posted by silencedogood on 08.01.06 at 17:12
Um um, havin a few brews at Gonpowder tavern, wif ma aceboys from Point
Hell Menase and katcup on anything warm with meat in it!
Running to north shore to see the gombeys when you were kids.
Swimming down the rocks with your friends.
(We should really collect these and post them as a response to Alvin and his dribble in the paper!)
Posted by Full Fullish on 08.01.06 at 17:18
Alvin has no authority to speak for anyone other than himself in my opinion.
It would be stupid for others esp white others to think otherwise.
Too many of these so called social activists (boy how I hate that bastardised term) speak as though they represent anyone other than themselves.
Neither Alvin or Dr Hodgson are truly stupid but often say stupid things IN MY OPINION.
Both tend to see all problems as racial ie black or white rather than human problems which is more realistic in my opinion.
One of my pet peeves is the idiotic idea that whites for example tend to support each other and stick together and blacks fight amongst each other etc.
In my not inconsiderable experience (I have lived longer than most)I can personally say that my own country men same colour as me etc have been my greatest adversaries and even the Portuguese who have been my business partners have betrayed me, and for a long time my best friend a black Fijian never once harmed me.
This whole "what do we have in common idea" is such a load of absolute juvenile Horseshite that it really is not worthy of serious debate.
If you have the perhaps the rather unfortunate experience of sharing a hospital room with another human both awaiting news that will determine your time on Earth, as indeed I have you will very quickly learn what you have in common.
Your human fucking mortality thats what.
Posted by Bill Cook on 08.01.06 at 17:22
" You know what a Honda helmet is and would have killed for one at aged 16."
If I recall correctly, we all would have killed to have b,w&ps?'s honda helmet! I know I did.
Still have mine, though, safely locked away and treasured.
Some additions:
-Owning, wearing or coveting a pair of RayBan aviator sunglasses, 2 sizes too small... to wear with your karate kicks and honda helmet.
-Wanting to be a gombey more than anything else in the world. I don't care if you're black, white, green or purple, if you grew up here, this was an aspiration of yours at some point in your life.
-Listening to side one of Bob Marley's "Kaya" album on the record player over and over and over.
-Referring to ANYone, at ANY time as being "from Point"...
-Making molotov cocktails during the riots, just in case... (Ok, maybe that was just me... let's say "Preparing for anything during the riots")
-The Ag Show. Whatever you did there. For some it was entering a chicken/painting/pig/kite/school project; for others it was showing up, hanging out and getting h... ot... yeah.. getting hot.. that's what I was going to say! on the hill; for others it was being jealous of those hanging out on the hill; for most it was a combination of all of these throughout their lives.
-Cassava pie. Mmmm... with a little Worchestershire sauce... ohhhhyeah...
-Wanting to play or ever having played cricket, or ever wanting to be a bowler... praying for an LBW, so you could be the first to yell out "LBW!"
Mr. Cook,
May I call you Bill?
"...I can personally say that my own country men same colour as me etc have been my greatest adversaries..."
Yeah, but you're Irish, so that's to be expected! *grin*
(This is coming from someone who's mother's family are Gleesons, Galways and Murphies, so please don't take offence! I know that the first rule in life, above all others is: "Don't fuck with an Irishman!")
"This whole "what do we have in common idea" is such a load of absolute juvenile Horseshite that it really is not worthy of serious debate."
I agree that it is juvenile Horseshite, but it is worth, if not a debate, talking about.
The scariest thing about Mr. Williams is that stuff he writes, no matter how full of shite it is, does resonate with certain people and plants a seed of "Yeah... I'm NOTHING like THEM".
Pointing out that we DO have stuff in common, which we plainly do, is the best way to defuse this sort of potentially divisive and inflammatory talk, y'know?
Posted by Uncle Elvis on 08.01.06 at 22:41
Alvin does far more for racial division than he does for unity, I think the fact that we all grew up in the same 21 square miles was the biggest thing we have in common. Seen the same faces, been to the same places, driven the same roads, shop in the same stores, .....AAAAAAAAAAAAA its the same old argument just a new name.
Posted by WyrdSister on 08.01.06 at 23:47
Well said Uncle :)
A couple more…
- Wish the line in the Bank would part like the Red Sea upon your entry into the building.
- End up drunk at weddings and wakes of people you don't really know.
- Have at least one family member past or present that used the letter v for a w and vice wersa.
- Always feel a tad bit iffy about someone else’s potato salad.
- Actually thought on a subconscious level that the people of France use that poor orange liquid excuse of a dressing on their salads.
Posted by Ethiops on 08.01.06 at 23:54
Alvin can't group golf in as an only white sport especially in Bda can he? Just take a look at all the black participants on any given day and don't forget that they are the best players in Bda on the links! Rabain, Jones, Pearman, Swan etc. etc. all guys I played with who are fantastic players.
Posted by 19th Hole on 09.01.06 at 00:41
"Always feel a tad bit iffy about someone else’s potato salad".
AND You can just look at a bowl of potato salad, and know the difference between "Bermudian" Potato Salad & "Non Bermudian" Potato Salad!!!!!
There was a great email a few years back titled "You know you're Bermudian if..." does anyone still have a copy?? It's funnier than hell.
Posted by Two Cents on 09.01.06 at 00:53
While I understand what Alvin is saying, thank god that the generation like him with his narrow views and socially explosive comments are on their way out! God speed Alvin! It seems like Alvin wants racial integration failure. All he does is find excuses and point fingers and blame the other side of the fence. How long will this go on before he realizes that constant defense and blame is not the key to curing racial issues?
-Tired of Politics
Posted by Tired Of Politics on 09.01.06 at 01:18
No, Alvin's not all bad. He speaks his mind. He's not dangerous. As long as the people you have to live with speak thier mind, there is going to be a way to get together. Alvin's noise is what makes our noise possible. And he has written better stuff in MHo
Posted by blovator on 09.01.06 at 01:32
Integration should be about equality of opportunity. So, as Limey says, integration is about access. Whites had/have those opportunities, which doesn’t necessarily mean those opportunities are “a white thing.” There is a real problem when that attitude persists, as for some young black people getting a good education and a good job is seen as “acting white.” That is big-time sad. Those things are about getting equality of opportunity in a challenging, modern world.
Alvin Williams seems to see integration as a one-way street, black-to-white. If he lived in Nigeria, getting access to opportunities might also be a one-way street, black-to-black.
Alvin Williams’ question, in which he asks, “what do I really have in common with my fellow white Bermudian…?” is sad enough. But the continuation of that sentence, “…which will allow us to live in harmony?” is disturbing. Why doesn’t he get to work on this himself?
And what’s also upsetting is that once again he puts all whites into the same container—his prejudice.
I agree with Uncle Elvis. I shared in Cup Match, I shared a Communion cup with black Bermudians, I ate codfish breakfast at 3 am in black Bermudian restaurants, I admired a lot of black Bermudians I knew—and enjoyed them, and wanted to know more about them, and couldn’t understand the separation. And what about men-ase on everything—that’s a sign of a true Bermudian?! Eating beef pies from the carts—with orange soda, with a lot of working people doing the same—black Bermudians. My entire frame of music is black; can’t be separated from it; it’s in my soul. Always standing up for the black Bermudian ladies on the bus. Respect. Loving the gombeys, the mystery of them in all our culture. Family members in hospital beds, next to other Bermudians—of all colours. Yeah, wanting to hang out on the hill at the Ag Show. Wanting to sit downstairs at the movies.
Alvin doesn’t get it. We’ve all lived these kinds of experiences for decades. He cannot separate us out from them. He cannot re-define us. I’m Bermudian; that’s my formative experience. I feel passionately about it. I want to see fairness and equal opportunity and progress. I’m more than willing to get outside my “comfort zone.” Alvin just sounds like he’s bottled up in a little hole in the rocks somewhere.
Posted by Raptor on 09.01.06 at 09:54
I really wonder what would be good enough for people like Alvin. Will the white man ever be able to please him? I seriously doubt it.
As for why whites don't assimilate into black society - we aren't made welcome - its as simple as that. As long as there are blacks who do nothing but moan about whites - it will always be so.
Posted by Whitesnake on 09.01.06 at 10:49
"Codfish and potatoes down at Young Men's Social Club on Sunday morning after a long Saturday night".
Uncle Elvis ain't that the truth......that brings back some memories of our mutally mispent youth, remember our favouite quote ??
Paul: "And the lady will have a White Russian"
YMSC Bartender: "Hey now...we don't make those fancy cocktails here"
Ozzie: "O.K then give her a Kaluha & Milk, and add a shot of vodka".
YMSC Bartender: "Now that's much better", she'd like this drink much more anyway
N.B- For the uninitiated that's the same drink.
Posted by Two Cents on 09.01.06 at 13:16
@¢ You put a wide reminiscing smile on my face today. Lord, if we compiled all of those, and we can't forget the Crushah's many contributions!, we'd have a book that no-one would believe is non-fiction!
blovator, please understand that I do not want him silenced! I do think he's dangerous, as his kind of insidious logic gives verification to all the little negative thoughts people have, which allows those that would use these negative thoughts to further their own selfish gains... usually on the backs of those very same people. It's "Difference Making", y'know? It's divisive and I think it is dangerous.
However, as the saying goes, "I don't agree with him, but I will defend, tooth and nail, his right to say it."
Raptor, as always, you hit the nail on the head. It IS sad.
Posted by Uncle Elvis on 09.01.06 at 14:02
I think that educated middle-class whites and blacks have more in common than we realise and both the black elites of the PLP and white elites of the UBP want to keep us from realizing this. Just think how much better this island would be if we kicked out of politics the crooked, racist leaders of the PLP who have been stewing in their own hatred since the late 1960s, or the elitist old rich white families who have been milking this island and its peoples dry with their monoplies for the last 200 years.
Posted by killermiller on 09.01.06 at 14:50
Killer, the elitest white families have no power. The 'monopolies' have been (banking and retail) have been busted by the collapse of tourism, internet shopping, and the arrival of HSBC.
Political Power lies with the PLP.
Monetary Power lies with the Ex-Pat & the exempt company. Don't be deluded into thinking otherwise.
Posted by Combat Banker on 09.01.06 at 15:00
I’ve always said the racist attitudes on this island appear to reside in the older generations.
Why not simply have a Logan’s Run style society, anyone over the age of thirty can either to go through a ritual called Carousel with the promise of being "renewed", or go on the run and risk being hunted down by an elite police force known as Sandmen.
Though now I’m over 30 I’m not quite as in favour of this option as I used to be ;)
Posted by Yet Another Limey on 09.01.06 at 15:19
You must not be much of a banker if you don't know having tens or hundreds of millions of dollars always ensures that you have power. Gibbons would not be leader of the UBP if it was otherwise. No monopolies? Dunkely's, Barrits, Gibbons, until recently Trimingham's, most of the law firms, I could go on. They are constants on this island, its where these families and the leaders of the PLP take Bermuda in the coming years that will determine whether exempt companies stay here or bugger off somewhere else.
Posted by killermiller on 09.01.06 at 16:04
Gibbon's has a monopoly in what, now?
Trim's is a monopoly of who?
Law firms are monopolies?
Huh?
Posted by Uncle Elvis on 09.01.06 at 17:11
Here we go again..
Now it is the white people with no power?
It is not even worth addressing.
Posted by jake on 09.01.06 at 17:58
I think you have to hear killermiller when he/she talks about “elitist old rich white families…and their monopolies for the last 200 years.” Maybe monopolies have more recently been “busted,” as Combat Banker says, but what went before was powerful stuff, and money equals power of most every sort, so it’s had a huge impact until quite recently. Can’t just be written off. And there are all kinds of power derived from having money, i.e., opportunities for many years of education, networking into prominent positions or jobs, real estate in certain areas, institution of a class system, etc. It’s also true that some of the children of these original families are honest, decent, knowledgeable, broad-minded, hardworking people of integrity who are really giving back to the community.
Otherwise, now, PLP has the political power, and IB has the economic power. It’s true.
A broader base of Bermudians has been educated, however, and we can hope that enlightened new leadership somehow emerges from them. Lord, we really need to hope and get some good people out front soon.
I think it’s indicative of the power of the current PLP leadership and of those who killermiller calls monopolists that killermiller expects both their leadership to continue.
Posted by Raptor on 09.01.06 at 18:07
"It’s also true that some of the children of these original families are honest, decent, knowledgeable, broad-minded, hardworking people of integrity who are really giving back to the community." - Raptor.
This is very true. What must happen is that people need to seek each other out and try to put names and histories aside as we build our future together. It would be a travesty if we become so caught up in our own selfishness that we cannot reach out and make accomodations for each other. Imagine if you were born into one of the big name families in the past 30 or 40 years. Sure you might have had a very nice upbringing and received a great education, but isn't there more to it? The ways of the old days don't work the same, families grow, you meet new people and find out that maybe having that silver spoon stuck in your mouth all the time can be just a little annoying. Even these people get dismayed and just give up trying to do the right thing if everyone else just fobs them off because of their name.
A new day is dawning whereby people who are willing to get educated and stand up for themselves are able to start making a difference. There are those who will take advantage of others but that really has little to do with one's name, skin colour or ancestry anymore. We now have a lot of Nouveau Riche in Bermuda. Let's see how responsible to our little society they can be. Or for all the lessons learned are we going to just end up with a bunch of lame hypocritical self-servients.
Posted by SmokingGun on 09.01.06 at 19:10
I'm just watching Walter Roban (spelling) on the TV..and this comment
doesn't really contribute too much to the debate, but what an idiot.
He actually thinks the CURE legislation is designed to help ALL Bermudians! I had to get my wife to change channels before I threw the TV out of the window!
How can we have harmony if buffoons like this continue to spout nonsense?
Serenety now..serenety now....
Posted by sandgrownan on 09.01.06 at 19:24
Boy do I not want to be drawn into this...
Killer, I'm not saying these things did not happen. I'm just saying the balance of power has shifted. It's history. What we need to do is make it ancient history. The children of the old White Families have only two advantages now: (a) they could afford a good education (b) it is socially acceptable in white society to BE educated.
What we need to do is make sure this is the case for everybody, before the next generation misses out once again. The real wealth for the future in Bermuda is in IB. Those who do not get their butts to college will get none of it.
Too many people in Bermuda concentrate solely on what has gone by to the utter detrement of the here and now. Get the frickin' 53% graduation rate up to 93%! ANOTHER generation of Bermudians will be disenfranchised because we are not paying attention.
Posted by Combat Banker on 10.01.06 at 08:15
As a former 4 year resident of your lovely island, I find it sad that such a divisive topic would be necessary at this point in time. Pertaining to Mr. Williams question; “As a black Bermudian, what do I really have in common with my fellow white Bermudian which will allow us to live in harmony?” my response would be..... anything you wish to have in common! You apparently have allowed challenges in your life to become barriers. My hope for you, Mr Williams, is that you someday soon will realize that assuming the role of professional victim helps neither you nor your fellow Bermudians, black or white. Life is way too short to ignore the future by wallowing in the past.
Posted by jadedvoter on 06.08.06 at 02:13
I have both black and white friends. I have black and white family. The Alvins of this world should be shipped off to some deserted island (if we can find one), and then they can all live in harmony bitching and griping. Just as we have many things in common, there are always differences. I don't like rap or hip hop music. Not because it's black, I just don't like it. I do like peas and rice, calypso, cup match ('specially when St.Georges wins), dark and stormies, some reggae, fishing off the rocks, knocking back a cold one, fried chicken, and yes I put mayo and ketchup on just about everything. I can enjoy Lord Necktie, Lord Flea, Gene Steed, Hubert Smith, Robert Symons just as much as I enjoy listening to Alan Jackson, Hank Williams Jr., and Dolly Parton. I attended public school, went barefoot all summer, and ate watermelon under a poinsianna tree. I love listening to tree frogs at night, and get royally pissed off when anyone knocks my rock. Mr. Williams we have many things in common, maybe that's what pisses you off.
Posted by Linda on 06.08.06 at 12:37
Bravo, well said Linda
Posted by wyrdsister on 06.08.06 at 12:42
Many overlook that one of our most highly regarded national dishes “codfish & potatoes” is just like us… imported!!! When was the last time anyone you know caught a codfish “off de rocks”? We all share this rock, we use the same roads, drink the same rain water, filtered off the same volcanic rock that we’ve cut into slates to make roofs with. We all are either in or went through the education system regardless of aspect or location.
I speak for myself but, I’ve found that all I truly have is memories of same like situations with every single being in Bermuda and that ancestry, lineage, and heritage, means nothing when you share from your own experience. So it appears for the most part we are kidding ourselves and insulting our own intelligence when we base our arguments from a place of commonalities.
Unspoken resentments fester within the mind and cause havoc to the person that gives it refuge. This is the unfortunate thing as there is also a state of perceived bliss when we are in a space of resentment; it’s the delusion of blame. That wondrous moment we get to point the finger and say “it’s your fault”. Even then ime we have a moment of clarity that we of course deny, but, it’s a losing battle as denial has a funny dynamic; it has to be acknowledged in order to be denied.
He/She that challenges themselves on their beliefs and ideals and takes inventory with willingness to remove or work toward removing less desirable items when possible is imo a good citizen!
Posted by Ethiops on 06.08.06 at 22:46
Is Ethiops insinuating that Mr. Williams is a racist? If not, he is missing an excellent opportunity!
Posted by jadedvoter on 07.08.06 at 00:27
jadedvoter I would just say I do my own form of integration by putting my own personal default settings to already integrated (we learn as we go). These days I just go to places that interest me for my own reasons and befriend who I want with no holds barred.
In saying all that! I think it is safe to say that this Mr. Williams fellow who can put together pearls of thought and actually let them slide from his lips that look like, “As a black Bermudian, what do I really have in common with my fellow white Bermudian which will allow us to live in harmony?” Is nothing short of pathetic and yes its clearly possible that this type of speech is attached to one who is still getting a high from the drug of racism (or lack of basic common sense). I think it’s nothing short of sad really and the fact that many easy to lead people of any hue will take this info the wrong way. These personal spoken word failures, sets back years of progress in the little lives of the uncounted.
The more I think of it i’m actually insulted by the remarks and really think in his hearts of hearts he takes us all for ignorant fools! I hope it’s naive on his part, I mean in his remark there isn’t even an ounce of intelligence. Hey Mr. Williams its 2006 not 1940, don’t talk about it be about it! Attraction rather than promotion… Change comes from people actually doing things.
Posted by Ethiops on 07.08.06 at 08:09
Ethiops, do you know William F. Buckley? Nevermind! I think we are on the same page. I show preference to the colour blue. I detest lamb because it sickens my stomach. Loud rap music hurts my ears and my sense of good taste. However, the colours of white, silver and gold certainly enhance the colour blue. Sheep provide us warm and durable clothing that I enjoy. Nothing moves me like the heartfelt passages of soul music. I discriminate but I do not hate. I am uncontrollably directed by my own personal tastes, culture, mental state and my level of understanding (education). We all have one very basic concept in common and that is SURVIVAL! We can do it collectively or alone. Or CAN we do it ALONE? You might think you can do it alone but you would have to mindlessly ignore all that is provided to you such as food, electricity, petrol, garbage collection, etc. And for everyone that contributes to my survival I am eternally grateful; regardless of your race, age, religion and whether or not you like lamb. All that provide for and contribute to our common survival are clearly part of the solution. Those that divide, spew hate, and favour turmoil are part of the problem. I say Mr. Williams is part of the problem! I say we have more in common than not! I say there is good in everyone! I say differences in people are usually a good thing and make life exciting and worth living! What say you, Mr. Williams? What say you, Bermudians? What say you, Heavenly Father?
Posted by jadedvoter on 07.08.06 at 10:45
Hear Hear Ethiops.
Mr. Williams bugs me no end with his attempts to trivialize the notion of brotherhood. As Bermudians we have a history behind us that we can do little about other than to learn from and make sure our future is better for it. We live on a rock not a utopia. We should always strive to live in harmony but accept the fact that some will try harder than others. Such is our lot.
The only guaranteed commonality we will ever have is if this rock should disappear. For then we will all be blowing bubbles.
Posted by SmokingGun on 07.08.06 at 10:57
I enjoy spending time with people who do not like lamb. It often means more for me. In fact ever since a chef created the lamb lollipop for cocktail parties I've been in heaven.
Posted by SmokingGun on 07.08.06 at 11:06
Hear Hear Smoking Gun!
Your wisdom knows no boundaries! Your tolerance for those who abstain from the flesh of sheep; commendable! Your capacity for disarming wit; remarkable!
Posted by jadedvoter on 07.08.06 at 12:58
"Compliments will get you everywhere" he responds with a sheepish grin....
Posted by SmokingGun on 07.08.06 at 15:23