Demonstration of unsuitability

Any employee who walks off the job in a fit of pique at not being promoted to a senior position has probably just demonstrated one of the reasons they didn’t get the job.

Comments

[SmokingGun on 15.08.06 at 18:39]

You got that too huh? Limey - welcome to Bermuda! Where the Union rules the waves and waives the rules.

[loki on 15.08.06 at 19:19]

Absolutely, Phil

And, as I wrote in another thread earlier today, it just goes to show the typical hypocrisy and irresponsibility of far too many of Bermuda's unionized workers. The workers and union would be up in arms if the Fairmont Southampton had committed a breach of the relevant Collective Bargaining Agreement, and yet they think nothing of taking illegal industrial action, rather than following due procedure, when it suits them. The Assistant Manager in question has, indeed, demonstrated that she has neither the aptitude or responsibility for a managerial position.

[ken on 15.08.06 at 19:34]

I beg to differ.
In this situation, Mrs Forde and her staff walked off to demonstrate that the decisions made against her were unacceptable. She referred the hotel guests to the front desk, and she did not leave for the day. She and her staff returned to work. Had Mrs Forde just continued working as though nothing was wrong, then it would have been assumed that there was no issue.

I am definitely not one that is a supporter of wildcat strikes and illegal strikes etc, however I am also not a supporter of unethical and biased treatment in favor of foreign workers when there is a Bermudian qualified for the position. For Mrs Forde to be given the responsibilities that she has been given thus far there must have been some qualities present in her character and her performance. At the very least, she could be trained to perform the job. The GM of the hotel said that the chosen person had more qualifications such as knowing how to do reports and budgeting. Give me a break. Those are not qualifications but moreso job responsibilities that training could be given for and guidance given. There are too many instances that foreigners with similar qualifications are deemed to be above and beyond those Bermudians that have applied. There comes a time when Bermudians have to take a stand and demand equality in this regard.

Yes I am sure there was disruption as a result of Mrs Forde and her staff's temporary leave from work, however, management in these particular instances, and perhaps some of you all need to realize as well, that unethical behavior in the part of the management should not be tolerated either!

[SmokingGun on 15.08.06 at 19:51]

"Had Mrs Forde just continued working as though nothing was wrong, then it would have been assumed that there was no issue."

ken - with all due respect but what's the point of having policies and avenues to follow if they are just to be ignored. IE: Immigration. IE: The Bermuda Industrial Union.

She and the whole "Bermudian" crew showed a lack of respect to the system that is in place to protect all Bermudians. They embarrassed another Bermudian, namely the manager in charge of making the decision and also the hotel. Sometimes if you want to have a position of leadership you need to show you are willing to play by the rules first. And if that doesn't work then hire a lawyer.

[loki on 15.08.06 at 20:09]

Ken,

She wants to be department manager, and yet she lacks the basic ethics and restraint to be expected of a manager who, after all, would be expected to manage her team in a disciplined manner. She showed that she is unsuitable for the job, period.

[loki on 15.08.06 at 20:13]

Also, ken. In case you hadn't noticed, Ms. Forde had been given an undertaking that she would be trained by the incoming manager to take over that position. The Fairmont also gave the same undertaking to the Department of Immigration and, indeed, this was an express condition of the work permit issued. Apparently, this was not good enough for Ms. Forde, so she stormed off the job. How pathetic and, unfortunately, how typical of so many of my fellow Bermudians, so many of whom have a wholly unearned sense of entitlement. There's no way that I'd even train her for the job now - I'd train one of the other staff members. Hoist by her own petard, methinks.....

[jsm on 15.08.06 at 20:14]

Hey Bermerica...it's always somebody elses fault, isn't it?

[RedOnion on 15.08.06 at 20:16]

ken stated:- "For Mrs Forde to be given the responsibilities that she has been given thus far there must have been some qualities present in her character and her performance. At the very least, she could be trained to perform the job."

Here we have a local and a foreignor vying for the same job. ken, by your statement the foriegnor is more qualified for the job so how can you then say " There are too many instances that foreigners with similar qualifications are deemed to be above and beyond those Bermudians that have applied. There comes a time when Bermudians have to take a stand and demand equality in this regard."

You can't have it both ways.

[SmokingGun on 15.08.06 at 20:37]

"You can't have it both ways."

RedOnion - are you kidding? That's what Bermuda's been hearing from the top down for days now. How else do you think they are going to convince the naive that independence is the answer. It sounds to me from this case that some have drunk from the poisoned well already.

[Martin on 15.08.06 at 20:44]

I find it interesting, that it was a Bermudian that rejected her for the position.

Maybe he knows that (in practice) she just couldn't hack it, yet as always was stuck with measurables like "experience"..."service" etc as the determing factors.

It's like interviewing for shop clerks. The resume says...3 yrs with ABC Ltd....2 yrs with DEF Ltd etc. On paper - they make the grade....but if they don't serve people...or do so with a growl...then who needs them.

If she couldn't hack it (in his opinion) good for him.

Common sense = 1
Procedural Nicities = 0

[ian on 15.08.06 at 20:50]

I've worked in the Bermuda Hotel industry and hav seen firsthand the quality (or lack thereof) of local workers. They walked out at my hotel when a colleague was fired for stealing! My "supervisor" told staff in advance when she was going to call in "sick" - and thought this was the responsible thing to do (to notify us that we'd be shortstaffed because she was at the beach). The few foreign staff (including myself) worked circles around our so-called peers and managers, and yet they bitched about us "stealing" their jobs! I have no doubt that Fairmont wanted someone in the key position to set an example for this woman and others to hopefully emulate. However, rather than accept training from superior staff (and yes, Canadians and Europeans provide better service - it is an industry accepted fact), she walked off. Typical culture of entitlement in action!

[Amin Swan on 15.08.06 at 22:04]

Hold on with this Bermudian Bashing,

I have also worked in the hotel industry - for 14 years, and worked my ass off (And I am Bermudian). I have seen many qualified Bermudians turned down for position they are well qualified for. I was one of them 5 years ago and know recently a collegue of mine went through the same thing. This collegue was a Senior Manager at the old Marriott, with extensive experience overseas and in Bermuda, I mean as sharp as a tack. He was overlooked for a position and ended up having to take his grievience to the Minister. This has been going on and does still go on.
Furthermore - Id like to ask the Manager how many times has he been overlooked for the top post at South P. and has just kept quiet as to not jepordize his job.

[silencedogood on 15.08.06 at 22:22]

I thought this topic might show up when I read the article in the gazette...

It's pretty simple. A company has to be able to run its business relatively free from interference by the government. The department of immigration is there to ensure compliance with the law that prefers bermudians but those laws shouldn't put an unqualified bermudian in a higher position than they can perform.

Its not as though the department of immigration is toothless or never exercises their authority--they do, and often in a heavy handed manner which contributes to the sense of entitlement.

Even if Immigration were a lot of pushovers it is in any employer's interest to hire and retain bermudians who do a good job. It's a far better investment if you can find a good employee.

Methinks this is just sour grapes.

If she was really management material she would learn from the setback, absorb as much knowledge as possible during the term of the expat's permit and reapply at the renewal date, assuming they want to renew (it's not as though everyone wants to live forever in BDA). She would be in a much better position to press her case at that time.

Hurt feelings are no reason to strike.

[Kate on 15.08.06 at 22:52]

Staff that take action of this sort should be fired without notice. By her own actions she has shown why she is not fit for any job.

[Jamaican Q on 15.08.06 at 23:06]

One problem I have always had with unions and common workers is this....and this ALL OVER THE WORLD.....what makes them think that they are in a position to determine who is qualified and who is not qualified for a post? Better yet....how can someone determine that they are more qualified than someone else and possess all the attributes required for a job?

[Jamaican Q on 15.08.06 at 23:09]

Kate...I couldn't agree with you more....I didn't realise that stomping one's feet and carrying on demonstrates suitabilty for a position....she sounds like she could never handle the job well...imagine behaving like that because she was not considered for a post...what would happen if she got mad at a worker...and anyway...i thought Bermudians loved ex-pats in their country....When i look at some top mosts in Bermuda....most are not held by Bermudians...so why is Miss Forde surprised??

[Jamaican Q on 15.08.06 at 23:51]

After reading all of the above comments I want to add this....Bermuda (and other BOTs) usually have to import people to come in and work mostly because A)The natives are never usually up to scratch and B) It's cheaper to bring in say..someone from Jamaica, Barbados etc than it is to employ a local (if they are even qualified). What has always amazed me about Bermudian Immigration is the hard time they give to foreigners when they damn well know that the locals can't do the job! I know I will get a lot of flack for my comments...but it's the God truth! Bermuda (and the other BOTs) act like they are sitting on some gold mine....but I have news for all of them....with the way the global labour market is going....and the fact that most of the natives of the BOTs are not really interested in self-advancement because they feel that IB will be on their rock forever....The day is coming where places like the Cayman Islands shall return to what it was in the first place...a fishing village...i suspect Turks and Caicos, Bermuda etc will follow suit.

[Lost in Flatts on 16.08.06 at 07:21]

Everyone will agree that some Bermudians work extremely hard, and are also very good at their jobs. You know what? Life isn't always fair. You think every hard working American in the US gets the promotion they're looking for? Please. The only difference is that in Bermuda you can cite all kinds of reasons as excuses, and then whine and moan, then get politicans involved, then the union, then at the end of all that, you still expect your employer to welcome you back with open arms.

If someone else is chosen as a better candidate to do the job, by management, the people I'm pretty sure are most qualified to rule on the specific case, then shouldn't we applaud them for choosing the person that will best improve our tourism industry?

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 10:28]

All

Debbie Ford is claiming that she was discriminated against because of her nationality (namely, Bermudian). If so, the Fairmont Southampton Princess is in clear violation of the Human Rights Act 1981.

The facts of the situation are unclear to me. Like all of you, my analysis of the situation has been fed by only the news media. In those media reports, there has been no mention of the Foreigner's qualifications. Therefore, like you all, I do not know if the Foreigner was more qualified than Debbie Ford.

But the following is what I do know. I know that the Hotel industry has been particularly aggressive -- for whatever reason -- in the hiring of non-Bermudians. I also know that Bermudians in the hotel industry (and others) have been complaining about this practice for some time.

So we have a labour dispute between Bermudians employees of the hotel industry and the hotel industry itself.

A hotel is not an 'essential service', and therefore a strike, in pursuance of a labour dispute, does not require the strikers to give 21 days notice to anybody.

Strikes and industrial action -- in any form -- have been recognised as a necessary tool in the employees' armament to influence and maintain proper working conditions and employer behaviour.

Ironically, you all have made sweeping statements. You have suggested that because Debbie Ford and her staff have utilised the tools in their armament, it demonstrates their lack of suitability for a senior post. This is disjointed logic.

If I am correct that Debbie Ford and her staff utilised their legal entitlement to strike, then doubts must be raised about the reasonableness of her suspension (even if with pay).

Some say that Bermudians have a false sense of entitlement. That's defamatory. I urge you to be fair in your analysis of the Bermudian employment conditions.

You can only make an accurate decision with evidence. At present, you do not have that evidence. You know nothing of the background, yet you all have taken sides in favour of the non-Bermudian. The psychology which makes you do that will come under attack in near times; because it is improper and extremely partisan.

I will comment no more in this thread.

[hotspur on 16.08.06 at 10:37]

Ken, if any manager has an equally qualified (qualifications aren’t just credentials remember) Bermudian and non_Bermudian to consider you’re always going to give to the Bermudian the nod as it’s a much safer bet for the company long term. Well qualified Bermudians with the right attitude are a massively valuable asset, period.

The suggestion that managers are promoting non-Bermudians for any other reason should be logged in the conspiracy theories section.

[The Right Reverend Uncle Elvis on 16.08.06 at 10:38]

But I thought it was ok to generalize and make sweeping statements... Bermudians are lazy, we all know that. Bermudians don't want to work hard to get a job. Bermudians have a false sense of entitlement.
Or is it just when it works in your favour?

NOW do you see why I call people on it EVERY time?

Also, WAS it her legal right to strike? I thought, and I could be wrong, that LEGALLY you have to give notice before a strike. I thought that just walking off the job without telling anyone was NOT a legal strike and, therefore, not her legal right.

Anyone know better? IS it ok to just walk off the job with no notice, like in this instance?

[Jamaican Q on 16.08.06 at 10:46]

Uncle Elvis...i could kiss your feet for that statement about Bermudians being lazy...glad you said it and not me (a non-Bermudian). Recently I saw a job being advertised with a particular telecommunications company in Bermuda. I called a senior person in the company locally here and jokingly asked if they thought I should apply for the job....The response I got was that Bermudians AND Caymanians are the laziest people they had come across in their history of working. To make matters worst...it was for something like an account executive (which I have over 20 years experience in), and I figured that just about anyone could manage that....but I gather that good work ethics and the overextension of the self is lacking in all of the BOTs, which is why this company runs into high staff turnover.....

Back to that incident...based on the report in the media....the woman was highly out of order to behave in that way just because she didn't get the job....imagine working under somone who behaves like that!

[jsm on 16.08.06 at 10:46]

"A hotel is not an 'essential service', and therefore a strike, in pursuance of a labour dispute, does not require the strikers to give 21 days notice to anybody."

Yet busses and ferries are en essential service, and they often strike with absolutely no notice given....do you call them on that as well?

[The Right Reverend Uncle Elvis on 16.08.06 at 10:53]

First off, JQ, you don' wanna do that. It's been humid here and the dogs are barkin'! *grin*
Second, I just found it odd that someone who I got into a lengthy and heated discussion with about generalizing was denouncing everyone on the thread for generalizing and using broad strokes.
I don't think that Bermudians, in general are lazy, but there are a few bad apples that spoil the bunch, y'know?

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 10:56]

JSM

I said I wouldn't respond, but I just have to.

If you read my above post you would see I haven't taken a side. I've simply put the dispute in perspective.

As far as the bus and ferry strikes, I do call them on that. I think their wildcat strikes are unlawful and improper. Reason being, "public transport" is an essential service.

You only have to give 21 days notice when you wish to strike from an 'essential service'.

If you want to look for yourself, see the Labour Relations Act 1975, s. 1 and Schedule 1 (Essential Services).

If you want to research more fully about Debbie Ford's suspension see the Employment Act 2000, s. 24.

If you want to research more fully about her discrimination claims see the Human Rights Act 1981.

Uncle Elvis...I'm going to give you a pass today. We do not agree. And I know why we don't. We can save that argument for another time.

[loki on 16.08.06 at 10:57]

Ms. Ford how no legal right to walk off the job. There is a collective bargaining agreement in place that provides for clear procedures in situations of dispute. Rather than adhere to that procedure, she demonstrated her unsuitability for a management position. End of story. She's damn lucky to have gotten away with a paid suspension.

[jsm on 16.08.06 at 10:59]

"If you read my above post you would see I haven't taken a side."

Your nickname is "prefer the victim"...yeah, no bias there !

"You only have to give 21 days notice when you wish to strike from an 'essential service'."

Then why don't they? Are they above the law?

"I said I wouldn't respond, but I just have to."

It's good of you to attempt to correct your post.

[SmokingGun on 16.08.06 at 11:02]

What she did was immature and just plain dumb. First off she should have followed the proper procedures. Second she should have advised her manager that she had lodged a complaint with the proper authorities. Third she should just gone about her business as normal until her case was heard and shown she was willing and able to take the high road.

By the way - I wonder who it was that called the media to let them know there was a walk-out?

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 11:08]

Loki

Well if they have a Collective Bargaining Agreement (which covers notice periods for strikes, etc), then you are correct she had no right to walk off the job. But I still don't think that proves (1) she is unsuitable for a management position, and/or (2) she was not discriminated against.

To say she's lucky to get away with a paid suspension is bollocks (using English vernacular). You're taking the piss (using more). It seems like you're suggesting she should have been fired. Thank God you're not the legal advisor for the Fairmont.

A Bermudian who makes her grievance known to the public would have to shy from your aggressive, imposing, fear-evoking legal advice. (hahaha)

This whole situation kills me.

PS: Loki, will you provide me with a job if I needed one? I'm Bermudian. So I guess you take that to mean I don't work as hard as any foreigner. But I'll promise to do my best. I'll work when and how you want me. I must say, I'll fight against abuse and discrimination though. And it might be a risk to take me on as their is no Collective Bargaining Agreement in place in your office. Whaddaya say? Will you hire me?

[silencedogood on 16.08.06 at 11:08]

What she did was immature and just plain dumb.

Posted by SmokingGun on 16.08.06 at 11:02

Nail on the head. If I were her would never want to announce to the whole island that I had been passed over for promotion. Isn't discretion part of the hotel business?

[jsm on 16.08.06 at 11:28]

"This whole situation kills me."

Me too. You're defending the woman for being childish, unprofessional, and staging an illegal walkout....the mind boggles.

[JJ on 16.08.06 at 11:31]

if she really believes she should have been given the promotion then she should just resign and offer her services elsewhere. As someone else said, qualified, hard wrking Bermudians are hard to find. I assume she thinks she is one and thus would have no problem being picked up by one of the other large hotels.

[Lost in Flatts on 16.08.06 at 11:34]

I still don't get it - there's clearly no evidence other than her word that she was discriminated because she's Bermudian. In fact you have the person who made the decision saying she wasn't qualified.

As I'm not omnipotent, you're right PtV, I don't know all the facts, but it seems to me she didn't get promoted because she lacked something they were looking for. She says she's got it, they say she doesn't. Given how hard it is to get and keep work permits, if she really was equally qualified and would do just as good a job, then why would they choose a foreigner?

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 11:34]

JSM

You're assuming that because I'm not on the bandwagon, I'm defending the lady.

My point was clear:

ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS BEING FORGOTTEN IS THAT DEBBIE FORDE CLAIMS SHE WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. ANOTHER IS THAT EVEN IF SHE DID STAGE AN ILLEGAL WALKOUT, THAT DOES NOT PROVE SHE IS UNSUITABLE OR INCAPABLE OF BEING EMPLOYED IN A SENIOR MANAGEMENT POSITION.

That's not defense of her walk out.

[silencedogood on 16.08.06 at 11:40]

PtV,

Would you not agree that following the law is a very important ability for management in any industry?

If the woman can't follow the law in a lower level position, how can we expect a company to put faith in her ability to do so when she is given more authority and consequently more laws to abide by?

[youngin' on 16.08.06 at 11:40]

Why would any company (or hotel for that matter)pass on a 'qualified' person for someone of less qualifications? Surely the HR person hiring the staff would want the best for the company and therefore hire the most suited (and arguably the best qualified) person for the position? Bermudians have a sense of entitlement that they should get the job just because they are Bermudian...MOST arnt as nearly hard working, determined, or friendly as the foreign workers. Some are, and I give them credit, but to ms. Forde who thought she could handle the dual role job was obviously way off in her thinking, Im sure the manager hiring chose the best person for the company..not a choice simply based on nationality!

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 11:42]

Lost in Flatts,

Why do Supermarkets hire foreigners to stack shelves?

Why do we have foreign dishwashers in hotels?

Why does the new restaurant on Serpentine Road, Bermy Cuisine, have foreign service staff? (See Bermuda Sun, p. 32)

Some claim it's because Bermudians are unqualified and lazy. Some say its a question of economics. You take your pick.

I've only said that you can't make an assessment on the evidence available. Forde claims she was discriminated against. The hotel denies it. Forde wasn't the only person in the walk-out.

[silencedogood on 16.08.06 at 11:42]

P.S. Before you jump from foot to foot with glee in an attempt to play gotcha.

I'm not saying they didn't promote her for this reason. I'm saying her violation of the collective bargaining agreement very well is a sign she's not cut out for management.

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 11:48]

All,

Here is the flaw in logic you all are participating in promoting:

Debbie Forde was not promoted on Day 1. On Day 2 she stages a walk out illegally because she claim her lack of promotion was discrimination. On Day 3 she is suspended for the walk-out.

Ready for the flaw? Here it is:

Debbie Forde's actions on Day 2 is reason for her not to be promoted to a senior management position, even though she was denied promotion on Day 1 for some other reason not related to a walk-out.

You're using Debbie Forde's subsequent action after being denied as the reason for denial. That's improper.

[JJ on 16.08.06 at 11:52]

PtV

"Why do Supermarkets hire foreigners to stack shelves?

Why do we have foreign dishwashers in hotels?"

well clearly not for qualification reasons! I guess it's because they advertised the jobs and no Bermudians applied. The ones who might "aspire" to such positions make more selling drugs (your economic argument)

[SmokingGun on 16.08.06 at 11:52]

"Why do Supermarkets hire foreigners to stack shelves?"

Because not too many Bermudians would put up with the way the foreigners are treated. Bermudians own the stores and hire ex-pats at a price that works well for both parties. However the foreigners are expected to put in 65+ hours a week on a straight salary with no over-time pay. Next time you see a foreigner stacking shelves just say thanks.

Why do we have foreign dishwashers in hotels?

Ditto for the dishwashers. Next time you're forced to pay the 15% gratuity ask the waiter if he's going to be sharing any of it with the dishwashers. Better still slide them a few bucks directly once and a while because you know they'll never ask.

[loki on 16.08.06 at 11:56]

PTV -

As I said before - and I'll repeat it by way of cut and paste -

"Ms. Forde had been given an undertaking that she would be trained by the incoming manager to take over that position. The Fairmont also gave the same undertaking to the Department of Immigration and, indeed, this was an express condition of the work permit issued. Apparently, this was not good enough for Ms. Forde, so she stormed off the job."

Rather than snapping up the opportunity to be given the training that had been offered to who, which offer had been satisfactory to the Department of Immigration, she displayed rank immaturity and mangerial irresponsibility by taking illegal industrial action. If she had a grievance, she should have taken it to the union. She didn't; she had a fit of pique and demonstrated that she doesn't have the mangerial aptitude for the position. This is precisely why we Bermudians have a reputation as being lazy and with a sense of entitlement. And, yes, if you have a decent attitude (willing to work hard, learn and, yes, have a little fun in the workplace, to boot, I'd offer you a job in my firm if I had an opening!)

[FYI on 16.08.06 at 11:58]

P.T.Y.
Ask any of those companies why they have foreign dishwashers or food service workers. And I guarantee you the answer will come back because they advertise for those jobs and No Bermudians apply. Or on the odd chance that a Bermudian applies for the job, usually they are hired. Then 2 weeks go by (if your lucky) and they just don’t show up to work because they don’t want to anymore or they are calling in sick every other day. Hey don’t get me wrong I am in no way Anti-Bermudian (I’m Bermudian), I’m just realistic. I have seen it first hand, you can ask any of the restaurants on the island and they will all have stories.

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 12:00]

"Why do Supermarkets hire foreigners to stack shelves?"

Because not too many Bermudians would put up with the way the foreigners are treated. Bermudians own the stores and hire ex-pats at a price that works well for both parties. However the foreigners are expected to put in 65+ hours a week on a straight salary with no over-time pay. Next time you see a foreigner stacking shelves just say thanks.

Posted by SmokingGun on 16.08.06 at 11:52

Thanks for what. Because they are willing to take improper abuse from employers for very little remuneration? You made the point for the capitalistic, greedy, economic argument. They have no reason to be here, because employers shouldn't have carte blanche to treat their employees like dirt for very little pay.

"Why do Supermarkets hire foreigners to stack shelves?

****

Why do we have foreign dishwashers in hotels?"

well clearly not for qualification reasons! I guess it's because they advertised the jobs and no Bermudians applied. The ones who might "aspire" to such positions make more selling drugs (your economic argument)

Posted by JJ on 16.08.06 at 11:52

You are so offensive, its unbelievable here. I forgive you. You didn't think before you wrote it.

[PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 12:07]

Loki

That's nice to hear. So what is the name of your firm? I think I may apply to you some time.

I know you're most likely going to say there are no openings for me, at present. Either way, I wouldn't mind holding on to your contact information for later reference.

[silencedogood on 16.08.06 at 12:08]

You're using Debbie Forde's subsequent action after being denied as the reason for denial. That's improper.

Posted by PREFER THE VICTIM on 16.08.06 at 11:48

Dude! Did I not just say that's not so? Has the thought ever crossed your mind that she might not have had the qualifications, experience, or the attitude required prior to this latest example? And perhaps that has been demonstrated at work which is private and known to her managers only?

All people are saying here is that she demonstrated in a very public way what the company's assesment was--she's not ready. People don't just change radically overnight.

[SmokingGun on 16.08.06 at 12:09]

I don't blame Ms. Forde for being upset or feeling slighted. I just think she has obviously not truly learned her trade to the standards expected.
Sometimes the hardest thing to do in everyday life is to simply bite ones lip and be as proffesional as possible in doing the job. Especially in the service industries.

Maybe she should go talk to Doc Brown and ask him how things would have been handled if she were working at the Burg.

[loki on 16.08.06 at 12:09]

PTV

If you think I'm outing myself on this board........

[jake on 16.08.06 at 12:12]

Walkouts are extreme, but can be a good way to let off steam in heated situations. I prefer a walk out to violence, and I prefer due process to walk outs. I don't think it invalidates her for leadership roles, however.

I take great offence to the comments about Bermudians being lazy...

There are people in every society that are lazy (and Jamaica is hardly an exception, JQ). By definition, most of the lazy people will never leave (too lazy to do so?) so the comment can be applied to any country you happen to be standing in.

That does not mean every import is hard working and smart however. There are a fair number of imports who don't make the grade.

I think Debbie has an arguable grievance, and it should be heard in due course at the proper time. I would consider hiring her though, because she has the confidence of those she leads - the walked out with her. She probably needs some time to think about how better to lead them next time, but she is probably a star at what she does.

By the way I found the explanation for why she was not hired lacking in both substance and credibility. I hope the tribunal gets something better than the interview on ZFB.

[Lost in Flatts on 16.08.06 at 12:13]

And it suddenly becomes clear PTV is just playing around, haha, I get it, devil's advocate. Okay cool, I'll stop trying to point out the flaws in your logic then. For example, you've just put a managerial position at a major hotel in the same boat as shelf stacking and dishwasing, in a debate about qualifications. Sigh.